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    • January 1, 2020 8:00 PM EST
    • Ric Golding said:

      So Doc, did you get enough track for the entire layout?  Cool!  If you get a chance, could you take an overall shot, showing the track on the LDE track plan?  Very impressed with your ideas.  

       

      I have been buying track for each individual LDE. I have all the track in for the Linville LDE which is at the far right of the track plan I sent earlier above. Here is the current LDE in the picture below. Doc Tom

    • January 1, 2020 7:56 PM EST
    • Ric Golding said:

      So Doc, did you get enough track for the entire layout?  Cool!  If you get a chance, could you take an overall shot, showing the track on the LDE track plan?  Very impressed with your ideas.  

       

      [img]https://i.imgur.com/KiDKm8x.jpg[/img]

       

    • January 1, 2020 7:52 PM EST
    • Dan Hilyer said:

      Give that man a beer, it’s hot out   Great photos, Doc. 

      Thanks Dan. Geraldo is getting thirsty. Not doing anything sure can wear a fella out. Doc Tom

    • January 1, 2020 10:33 AM EST
    • So Doc, did you get enough track for the entire layout?  Cool!  If you get a chance, could you take an overall shot, showing the track on the LDE track plan?  Very impressed with your ideas.  

    • December 31, 2019 11:21 PM EST
    • Give that man a beer, it’s hot out   Great photos, Doc. 

    • January 1, 2020 7:49 PM EST
    • And you have a real nice, detailed build log for reference too. 

    • January 1, 2020 6:38 PM EST
    • Jim, I really like those cars. And I have some options now. With the short couplers I can move the wheels out. Also I was intrigued by the side dump of these cars and mine were going to be belly dump. But if I go side dump then the trucks can be closer together as well as closer to the ends if I wish like you have them on that car. And with side dump it would work better for the concentrator that these will dump into. So that's a win win. Shorten the overall height of the hopper and narrow the whole car a bit and if need be lengthen it and I think I will have it. I will use those pictures and basically divide by two the dimensions you have give or take.

    • January 1, 2020 5:04 PM EST
    • Wait, you don't have a thumb growing out of your forehead, Devon? Weird.

       

      I went and took a few measurements of my hoppers, just in case it is useful to you. I was thinking 1:24 scale when I built it so you can convert these using 1/2" to a foot. That means these are really short: 18 feet. That turns out to be perfect for the ore loading area in the mine.

       

       

      The 1.5" difference between overall (wood, not counting couplers) length means that the platforms on each end are 3/4" each.

       

       

      Sorry I didn't annotate this, but the height of the wood part of the car is 3.25".

       

      Note that I'm also using Kadee short couplers. Clearance there is no problem based on the 2.5" distance from the car end to the coupler centers.

       

      IMHO I made these cars a bit too wide. They are the widest thing on my pike so far, particularly when you add the brass door close/open mechanisms which adds another 1/4"  on each side (or so).

       

      [edited to add the height of the car]

    • January 1, 2020 4:52 PM EST
    • Devon Sinsley said: Sorry man, what can I say, I just can't get into 4 wheel cars.

      Oh well, I'll still admit in public that I know you.

    • January 1, 2020 4:49 PM EST
    • Using the HO couplers makes it so you can you can move the wheels out further that's for sure because they fit nicely between the wheels. I am going to mess with the O scale shorties but if that still doesn't work then maybe go the HO route.

       

      As to picking on your post. Sorry man, what can I say, I just can't get into 4 wheel cars. Again no judgement if its your thing. Someone has to dance with the ugly girls. . .. Please take this in the good natured ribbing its meant in. I really have no judgement for what others do. I am sure 99% of what I do people look at me like I have a thumb growing out of my forehead. We all have to do what makes us happy, we re the ones playing with our trains, that kinda makes us all a little odd. . .grown men obsessed with toys.

    • January 1, 2020 4:33 PM EST
    • Glad y'all enjoyed my post I actually do have a number of trucked On30 cars. Most are quite small compared to commercial models based on 3ft equipment. Mine are built to fit the "loading gauge" of the tackle box inserts they are kept in.

      Therefore my On30 most likely has a rather different look from what you are going for, Devin.

      Most have Kadee HO arch bar trucks with 36 inch passenger car wheels & some of the larger cars do indeed have Bachmann On30 trucks, sometimes with other-than-stock wheels.

       

      For couplers on cars the old out of production Kadee HO scale #4 had been used, & without centering springs. That makes them a bit floppy, makes them have lots of slack action, and makes them able to go around the couple of streetcar radius curves, after all, this outfit was originally a narrow gauge traction line.

      Other cars and locomotives have various long shank HO couplers, again without the centering springs.

      Most of the trucked boxcars have Athearn HO car frames as their core, some AHM.

       

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    • January 1, 2020 12:20 PM EST
    • ok, I'll come out of the closet and.... admit... that I don't like 4 wheeled cars either. Sob. Great that you have some shorty Kadee couplers. Will help a lot.

       

      [edited to fix a typo]

    • January 1, 2020 11:24 AM EST
    • Dan Hilyer said:

      I'm a little late to the game here, but I do think Forrest and Doc are on to something.  From a visual aspect, there is just too much going on on the underside of the car.  The two sets of trucks are disproportionate to the overall size of the car.  Changing to a two axle (4 wheel) design would go a long way to eliminating the disproportionality.  What it doesn't do is solve the issue with the axles being so far a way from the end of the car due to the coupler box.  Have you thought about using link and pin couplers or using a sill mounted coupler?

      Dan, see above about 4 wheel cars. Yes I did get some G scale single journals from you and I will let the ugly girl into the dance on occasion, she has a right to have fun too. But I just won't at all be happy with a string of circus wagons going around my pike. Yes, that's what every single 4 wheel car looks like to me. Call me weird, it wouldn't be the first time.

       

      And unlike Kadee in Large scale, O scale couplers are limited and all have the draft gear box and no sill mounted couplers. But what I just noticed is that they make a short version.

       

      and they are half the lentgh at 17/32 long. I will use those and move the trucks outward a half an inch.  These would be better for all my cars since they are all going to be short. So good call. As for Link & Pin thats what I really like but I want to match up with my buddies rolling stock and I plan to do operations and knuckle couplers are way easier than link and pin.

    • January 1, 2020 11:11 AM EST
    • Forrest Scott Wood said:

      Ya know, Devon, you don't have to be having all these truck problems in On30, there is another way ...

      [img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49308938876_7279128316_z.jpg[/img]

      Gag

      I have no problem with 4 wheeled cars. . .for other people. I know its a real thing with real advantages. But I just have this aversion to it that kinda makes me throw up in my mouth a little. Hey God made women in all shapes sizes and colors and he made men just as varied so that each of them would be loved. Each to their own and I am not critical. But my pikes run trucks. It just has to be that way.

    • January 1, 2020 10:36 AM EST
    • I'm a little late to the game here, but I do think Forrest and Doc are on to something.  From a visual aspect, there is just too much going on on the underside of the car.  The two sets of trucks are disproportionate to the overall size of the car.  Changing to a two axle (4 wheel) design would go a long way to eliminating the disproportionality.  What it doesn't do is solve the issue with the axles being so far a way from the end of the car due to the coupler box.  Have you thought about using link and pin couplers or using a sill mounted coupler?

    • January 1, 2020 9:57 AM EST
    • Devon,

      Good to see you thinking through this project. I think Forrest is on the "right track." 4 wheeled hopper cars would look great. Enjoying your build log and experimentation.

      Doc Tom

    • January 1, 2020 4:11 AM EST
    • Ya know, Devon, you don't have to be having all these truck problems in On30, there is another way ...

      [img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49308938876_7279128316_z.jpg[/img]

    • December 31, 2019 11:38 PM EST
    • Jim Rowson said:

      Devin: If you want some measurements I can do that.... and better pictures so you can see the placement of the trucks and couplers.

      Thanks,

       

      I have excellent pictures of Pete Thorton's cars I was eyeballing as I did mine. The main problem here was two fold. I have never modeled On30 so don't have a feel for what looks right as I am building it. I was not using any sort of plans (like I did with the log cars) I was just winging it and obviously my wing needs calibrating. That's problem #1. Problem #2 was really wanting a shorty car. So even with my un-calibrated wing I was still aiming for shorter than normal. But I really don't need to go that short. I am not being radical with my curve radius and while I would say I have shot for a minimum radius on my layout design those minimums are for longish locomotives, not standard freight cars. So I think I can safely add an inch or two to the entire length of the car and get it around my layout.  The ore car is 5" long or 20 scale feet. I could add 2 more inches to it making it still only a 28' car. Not long by any standard and 7" cars will go around my proposed layout with zero issue. All main line curves are 18" min radius and branch lines 15". I do not think for one second a 7" car will work just fine.

       

      By extending the car two inches I think it will put that large looking end area in better perspective. It jut looks funny I think because the trucks are two close together so that gap is the same size as the ones in the ends. We are used to seeing a wide spacing between trucks. I really do not want the trucks closer to the sills. even if its odd looking the O scale draft gear box on a Kadee is 1" and I do not want them closer. On my MIK crane car last year it was so short and by the time I got the couplers on and had the trucks where the looked right the coupler box ended up actually between the wheel and I solved my turn radius problem by cutting the corners off the coupler box. It works but is ugly underneath. And with ON30 the coupler box is wider or about the same as the inside spacing of the wheels. So regardless of whether it looks right or not I want the wheels and coupler box to have separation which they will have now. So that will HAVE to be solved by lengthening the entire car and thereby have another 2" between trucks. 

    • December 31, 2019 11:13 PM EST
    • Devin: If you want some measurements I can do that.... and better pictures so you can see the placement of the trucks and couplers.

    • December 31, 2019 11:08 PM EST
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      These cars look good to me. They have the end platforms I wanted, are longer and not as tall and the trucks are not tucked as far under although they re under there a ways. I will be using these on round 2