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    • April 11, 2019 11:23 AM EDT
    • Ric Golding said:

      Remember my unit is

      46 inches long

      16 inches wide


       

       

       

         

    • April 11, 2019 10:19 AM EDT
    • Got some more information on dimensions provided by a friend in HO.

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      Box Cab

      2 axle 17' between the hub centers

      29' long

      17' wide

      13' high

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      Steeple Cab

      24' long

      10' wide

      13' tall

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      ITS Class A Steeple Cab

      28' long

      9' wide

      13' tall

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      Remember my unit is

      46 inches long

      16 inches wide

      26 inches to top of boiler

      36 inches to top of stack

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      Just more fodder to the mix.

       

       

       

    • April 11, 2019 10:07 AM EDT
    • Wow!  More great pictures! 

      For me the guiding dimensions are the fire box door at a 2.5 inch hole and a 3 inch door.  And the top of the stack being 36 inches above the rail.

    • April 11, 2019 6:35 AM EDT
    • Sorry, but when the talk went to Barbies, I remember Boyd saying that he had made clothes for his Barbies, and for his GI Joe action figures. I joked with him that he put the same clothes on both, and that Joe wasn't happy in a sun dress......

       

      Why did Boyd buy abused and naked Barbies at yard sales, he never did say.

       

      Sorry, but my feeble and twisted mind went off on a sidetrack there, and all I heard was the lumberjack song. Females may not have driven them things way back then, but we don't know if any of the guys who drove them
      "put on women's clothing and hang around in bars".....

    • April 10, 2019 8:20 PM EDT
    • Ric Golding said:

      Gentlemen, thanks for the time to write something.

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      Rubber ruler?  Of course.

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      Gauge to Prototype?  That may be the rub.  It sits on axles 7.5 inches wide.  But much like many prototype pieces of equipment, if you put narrow gauge trucks under it, it looks big.  In the 1:20.3 model world, think of the Bachmann 45 Tonner.  It looks big and becomes your movable width and height gauge.  

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      Why bother?  Because it will be asked.  It is 1.5" or 2" to the foot and some gear purchased will vary as to which size I declare it.  Of the standard engines, they are usually built to 1.5" to a foot or 1.6.  However, there are many that are 2, 2.5, 3 and even some 3.5" to a foot.


       

       

       

      Just went through the same issue with the static model of CVRR electric motor car. However I'm a Rooster and model by eye where scale and gauge matter not! Didn't seem to matter during the time of Tom Thumb so why does it matter now? Lincolns Funeral Car was built with extra wide wheels so it could travel over the rails that were already laid? Speaking of laid ....ahhh never mind were not going there but you could call it Golding scale if you prefer.  https://railroad.lindahall.org/essays/rails-guage.html

      As I see it your locomotive your rules "ESPECIALLY" when your playing with stuff like Pete showed.....From a ROOSTERS research there is NO real rules only able to run on the track that is already "LAID"

    • April 10, 2019 2:53 PM EDT
    • I'm a lumberjack and I'm ok.....

      I don't know how that got in either.  The locos are Taffy and Chaloner!

      Sean McGillicuddy said:

      Ric

      I'm having a hard time see the pic of said engine..

      Here you go, and a few extras.

       

      Taffy & Chaloner at Wicksteed Park, 2007.

       

      Restored Head Wrightson locomotive: 1871, known as Coffeepot No 1.

       

      Vertical boiler locomotive 'Paddy' at Porthmadog

       

      There are 2 extant locos in the B&O RR Museum in Baltimore looking like this:

       

      And also Tom Thumb:

       

      I tried to post photos that include the engineer.  Clearly some locos (especially in the USA) have boilers as tall as the eng.  Others are shorter. 

    • April 10, 2019 10:13 AM EDT
    • Ric

      I'm having a hard time see the pic of said engine..

    • April 10, 2019 10:12 AM EDT
    • David Maynard said:

      I'm a lumberjack and I'm ok.....

      I have a Parrot that says/sings that … But ...  will not sing the rest... 

       

    • April 10, 2019 9:46 AM EDT
    • It really doesn't matter about the scale, but it is intriguing and a great brain twister.

      David - Not sure where being a lumberjack fits in to this.  That one went over my head and needs a whole explanation by itself.

      Adam, Pete, Bruce and Korm - Pete's picture really brings out the questions and puts it in perspective, because if the wheels are 7 inches and the dimension to the boiler is the crux of the question with the top of the stack being 36 inches, the diameter of the boiler being 10 inches on the outside and the firebox door being almost 3 inches.  With the gauge of the track being 7.5 inches and the width of the engine being 16 inches, that's an overhang of 8.5 inches or 4.25 on each side.  That would definetly be a small industrial engine like in Pete's picture, with the stack hardly being taller than the operator, if that tall.  So "Barbie scale" would be too small.  With this info, 3.5 inches to a foot does not seem out of line.

      The engine has been in a great deal of disassembly over the last couple of months, so pictures are hardly worth showing.  I'm currently getting it reassembled and within the next couple of days, I'll try to get a picture posted.  Then we can really compare it to Pete's picture and give this discussion some illustration.

      Thank y'all for your input and dedication of grey matter to my thoughts, concerns, problems and trivial questions.  It does help me imagine what I'm working on.

    • April 10, 2019 5:58 AM EDT
    • I'm a lumberjack and I'm ok.....

    • April 11, 2019 9:40 AM EDT
    • As the Cartalk boy. Click and Clack would say its no heavier than a couple of mother in laws in the backseat. 

    • April 11, 2019 7:38 AM EDT
    • Image result for Stupid Car Loads  Image result for Stupid Car Loads shouldn't be a problem .

    • April 10, 2019 11:50 PM EDT
    • Thanks Rooster.....This Volvo has the tow package, so I am assuming the springs are rated for extra load from the factory. About 70% of the total engine(s) weight is forward of the axle and yes, the tires are rated "high load".

    • April 10, 2019 8:32 PM EDT
    • Try and keep most of the weight towards the front and you will be just fine

       

    • April 10, 2019 8:30 PM EDT
    • Ahhh an XC 70 ....that's my forte'.....it will transport just fine as they have high load rated tires and springs from the factory.

    • April 10, 2019 5:25 PM EDT
    • You "might" be interested how I transport two 350 pound model engines to my local club to run.....pretty easy (I didn't "keep the new boxes" these came in :) ). Simple white oak rack with two sets os couplers and two ratchet style tie-downs over the cabs.

      Bring the engine up on the "lift rack" in the foreground and roll right into the wagon.

       

      These couplers are solid cast aluminum "dummy" couplers". They are the best for locking a locomotive into place in a car, pickup or trailer because the knuckle is non-operating. Once the engines are locked in place, then I use c-clamps on the rail to keep the engines snug and keeps them from rolling at all. 700 pounds total for this Volvo wagon is probably the limit for hauling.