Forums » Live Steam

List of newest posts

    • November 1, 2018 9:14 PM EDT
    • duplicate post

       

    • November 1, 2018 7:33 PM EDT
    • Pete Thornton said: When my loco turns up I will be sure to inspect it in varying light situations to see if it shows any sign of green. The model looks pretty black to me.

       

       

       

          

    • November 1, 2018 6:56 PM EDT
    • Well, the box says it is the Dark Green #3750.  I think it really is very dark green - the sides are different from the trucks.  Sure looks black though!

       

       

       

    • October 23, 2018 2:39 PM EDT
    • Okay. Yep I see that now

       

      Jason 

    • October 23, 2018 12:29 PM EDT
    • Jason V. said:

      Pete, It's back up for bid on evil bay. Hmmmm

      That's the Atlantic - the E6.  Apparently the Pacifics were based on this design - you can see why.  Nice engine, just a bit short 

    • October 23, 2018 12:09 PM EDT
    • Pete, It's back up for bid on evil bay. Hmmmm

    • October 23, 2018 12:09 PM EDT
    • It's back up for bid...hmmmm...

      https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F292784437096

    • October 22, 2018 7:28 PM EDT
    • Dig in Forrest...history is endless even though it has already ended !

    • October 22, 2018 7:20 PM EDT
    • " Rooster " said:
      Pete Thornton said: Now, what livery should the coaches have in the pre-war era?

       

      Which war ?

      That's a good question.
      I think people forget how long the K4 design was around.

      According to page 159 in Alvin Staufer's 1962 book Pennsy Power, 153 of them had been built by end of 1918.

    • October 22, 2018 6:11 PM EDT
    • Pete Thornton said: Now, what livery should the coaches have in the pre-war era?

       

      Which war ?

    • October 22, 2018 5:46 PM EDT
    • Mike Toney said:

      When do you expect arrival of your new engine Pete?   I will be ordering my new gauge one live steamer in a few days hopefully.  The pic you posted look the most correct to my eyes.  Only in certain light does the green really come out in the DGLE paint when its freshly applied.  I think the greenish hue came out more on the diesels and GG1's ect as they didnt have all the soot and grime that a steamer will pickup between major overhauls/repaints.    Mike

      Should be here early next week.  I had them postpone shipping as I am moving back to Florida at the end of this week.
      This photo, after photoshop 'enhanced' it, does look a bit greenish . . .

    • October 22, 2018 4:52 PM EDT
    • When do you expect arrival of your new engine Pete?   I will be ordering my new gauge one live steamer in a few days hopefully.  The pic you posted look the most correct to my eyes.  Only in certain light does the green really come out in the DGLE paint when its freshly applied.  I think the greenish hue came out more on the diesels and GG1's ect as they didnt have all the soot and grime that a steamer will pickup between major overhauls/repaints.    Mike

    • October 22, 2018 2:19 PM EDT
    • Ooh, she is naked!

      That's what happens when they strip the asbestos off.

    • October 22, 2018 12:49 PM EDT
    • Ooh, she is naked!

       

    • October 22, 2018 12:26 PM EDT
    • I tried to capture the "Brunswick Green" look .....with these 2 pics. Notice the cab on 6755 and the cab on 3750 ....They are both the same color but 3750 shows the green tinge. I can actually see the green tinge on your model but that is my eye.

      Very interesting, and thanks for all the inputs.  When my loco turns up I will be sure to inspect it in varying light situations to see if it shows any sign of green. The model looks pretty black to me.

       

      Now, what livery should the coaches have in the pre-war era?

       

    • October 21, 2018 6:35 PM EDT
    •  

       

       

      Pete,

       

       I just happened to be about 20 minutes from Strasburg today so I swung by and got these pics of your girl. I have a few more and if you want them PM me with your email and I will send them to you. 

      I tried to capture the "Brunswick Green" look .....with these 2 pics. Notice the cab on 6755 and the cab on 3750 ....They are both the same color but 3750 shows the green tinge. I can actually see the green tinge on your model but that is my eye.

       As I read some where while researching historic colors years ago someone mentioned that " Black is not a color but green is within the correct light preferably eastern morning light".  Possibly Downing or Rookwood but not sure as I focused heavily on the two.

       

       

    • October 21, 2018 8:42 AM EDT
    • Not to add confusion to the discussion I believe one factor in PRRs paint color has been overlooked. As will be noted from the attached, paint was mixed on site from bulk quantities of pigment powders, linseed oil, and japan. Of the ingredients the pigment though specified by PRR standards, could be different from lot to lot and manufacturer to manufacturer.

       This is the closest info I could find. Though years back I ran across a page from PRRs standards book, while searching out their engine shops,on mixing their engine colors. I recall reading that the shop foreman was responsible with verifying the pigment tone by mixing a set amount to see what color was achieved. Pigment that did not meet his approval was returned.

      Though the info presented here specifies freight car mix, the same applied to their engine color. Pigment was added by the lb not run through a computer. Variations would occur so, though close, each batch was possibly different in finished tone. We see and hear an assortment of formulas to achieve Brunswick Green when in reality it's still just a green hued black that we associate with the Pennsy.

      http://steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/prr-carcolor.pdf

    • October 20, 2018 9:00 PM EDT
    • The present number board was added in 2008 when it went through a cosmetic restoration ... Prior to that she stood in for another loco as a display.

       

      From Wikipedia;

      " The Pennsylvania decided to scrap 1737 and use 3750 as a stand-in; 3750 received the original number plates and tender from 1737."

       

      No word on where the originals went.

       

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_Railroad_3750

    • October 20, 2018 12:37 PM EDT
    • Pete,

      Regarding the numeral, since there are no stencil styled 0s, I'd stick with a 5.

      The sand casting tray was bumped and the top of the number fell in, a finger 'fixed' that one at the end of the day....

      It does stay within the outline of the other numbers...

       

      Sand and oil.

      'I've got a hot date, the bell is about to ring and .... There! Good enough. As long as Pete doesn't see it, I'll get to go dancing!'

    • October 20, 2018 12:11 PM EDT
    • From Wikipedia: 'The color used by the Pennsylvania Railroad for locomotives was often called Brunswick green, but officially was termed dark green locomotive enamel (DGLE). This was a shade of green so dark as to be almost black, but which turned greener with age and weathering as the copper compounds further oxidized.'

       

      Since the paint oxidized lighter, the color may depend on the age of the locomotive, thus different greens can be correct.

      Have fun with your trains...

       

      PS:

      Why this color?

      They could mix it by full buckets, thus color match was achieved system wide, where having to make measurements could lead to discrepancies.