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    • September 14, 2018 8:13 PM EDT
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      Plastic ties: Train Li vs LGB for sun?

      Hi,

      Has any one had any experience with Train Li's Euro-style ties? 

       

      I was planning to buy LGB flex ties, but these look to be quite comparable and a bit less pricey.   My primary question is if they are as durable as LGB in full sun?

       

      The track in question is 100ft straight, ground level (on 3/8 crushed stone), stainless steel rail, and full sun!

       

      Thanks for any help,

      Jeff

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    • September 14, 2018 10:18 PM EDT
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      Don't have the experience, but what does Train-Li say about warranty?

       

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    • September 15, 2018 7:05 AM EDT
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      Rocky Canyonero said:

      Hi,

      Has any one had any experience with Train Li's Euro-style ties? 

       

      I was planning to buy LGB flex ties, but these look to be quite comparable and a bit less pricey.   My primary question is if they are as durable as LGB in full sun?

       

      The track in question is 100ft straight, ground level (on 3/8 crushed stone), stainless steel rail, and full sun!

       

      Thanks for any help,

      Jeff

      Jeff

       

      If you are looking for Euro style ties, I suggest you look at Bachmann ties.  They are less expensive and have excellent UV protection.  This is what we are using on the SJR&P.  My experience is that LGB and Bachmann are the Best from a UV protection standpoint and holding up in the Sun.

       

      Stan

      This post was edited by Stanley Ames at September 15, 2018 6:56 PM EDT
    • September 15, 2018 11:30 AM EDT
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      My LGB ties have been out in the weather for 15 years without any fading, disintegration or anything. But things change. LGB is gone and I don't know who makes their track now. Or if they use the same formula.

    • September 15, 2018 11:34 AM EDT
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      Hi Stan,

      Thanks for the advice. I never knew that Bachmann sold their ties separately.  You're right, the price is excellent at TW!

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    • September 16, 2018 2:39 AM EDT
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      I have some LGB ties that have turned white after a couple years of near equatorial sun.  Some I believe is the consequence of an over-eager crewman interpreting "Spray this lithium grease into the rail joints" as "Cover anything and everything with lithium grease." Some, frankly, I just do not know, but almost all of it is decades old and who knows what hit while in long term storage.

       

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    • September 16, 2018 3:20 AM EDT
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      Different amounts of sun will have different effects. From all the pictures of Stan's layout I have seen, he is in a wooded area with a lot of shade in general.

       

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    • September 16, 2018 7:28 AM EDT
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      And in the winter, snow covers the ties, plus being further North, less sun and much less heat than what Greg has.

    • September 16, 2018 7:33 AM EDT
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      Greg Elmassian said:

      Different amounts of sun will have different effects. From all the pictures of Stan's layout I have seen, he is in a wooded area with a lot of shade in general.

       

      Greg

      Greg

       

      In general very true. Most of our layout is in shade.  We do however have a few sections in Sun most of the time. For many years we sent a tie strip from that area back to Bachmann for testing.  They have held up well compared to other tie strips in the market.  LGB tie strips in that area held up well but discolored.  Aristo tie strips not so well.

       

      Stan

    • September 16, 2018 11:24 AM EDT
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      Not doubting your good experience Stan, just making sure we are comparing apples to apples... there's 3 comparisons here,

      1. Bachmann to other manufacturers,
      2. and climates in 2 different parts of the USA,
      3. and mostly shaded in summer and winter

       

      Just trying to give the OP the most helpful information...

       

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    • September 16, 2018 12:48 PM EDT
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      Greg Elmassian said:

      Not doubting your good experience Stan, just making sure we are comparing apples to apples... there's 3 comparisons here,

      1. Bachmann to other manufacturers,
      2. and climates in 2 different parts of the USA,
      3. and mostly shaded in summer and winter

       

      Just trying to give the OP the most helpful information...

       

      Greg

      Greg

       

      Indeed it is important to compare all aspects.  I am very confident that the sun in an open field in FL is much harsher then the Sun in our yard in MA.

       

      And the sun on a roof in Hong Kong is likely even harsher on plastic.

       

      Jeff is in NH so the sun here is likely very similar to the sun in Jeff's yard

       

      When looking at the relative quality of UV protection between the products I do suspect the relative comparisons are about the same.  So if my Aristo European ties fail more quickly than LGB ties in the same section of our layout I think it is fair to say that that Aristo European ties will fail quicker then LGB ties even in the sunniest environments.

       

      We have over 30 years of experience with Aristo European and LGB ties.  With Bachmann we only have more then 18 years of experience so I do not know what will happen in another 12 years.  That said the Bachmann ties that are 18 Years old look better then  LGB and much much better then Aristo Europenan ties put down around the same time.

       

      Stan

       

       

       

    • September 16, 2018 2:45 PM EDT
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      Hi Stan,

      Have you ever tried to paint the Bachmann ties at all?  Would that possibly have a negative affect?

       

      I'd like to cover some of the sheen of the SS as I had done with my AL track in the past.  I would normally assemble the track (pre-bending when needed) and then painting it all together with satin black spray paint. 

       

      I wouldn't mind even having to re-paint the ties in the future if that was needed. I still have some very old Aristo ties that faded years ago, but seemed to have been saved by painting them.  

       

      Thanks to all for your advice and concern,

      Jeff

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    • September 16, 2018 3:20 PM EDT
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      Jeff check out what John Caughey has done to weather his rails, looks fantastic, since it's real rust!

       

      Greg

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    • September 16, 2018 4:13 PM EDT
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      Gregg, are you still using the Turtle Wax knockoff of Armor All to spray the ties?

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    • September 16, 2018 10:56 PM EDT
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      Went back to actual armorall in the "original" formula... spray tracks every 6 months with a garden sprayer... much quicker.. still looks good about 10 years later...

       

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    • September 17, 2018 8:57 PM EDT
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      Greg Elmassian said:

      Went back to actual armorall in the "original" formula... spray tracks every 6 months with a garden sprayer... much quicker.. still looks good about 10 years later...

       

      Greg

      Why did you make the change back?  Were you getting bad results with Turtle Wax, or did it become hard to find?

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    • September 17, 2018 10:49 PM EDT
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      Rocky Canyonero said:

      Hi Stan,

      Have you ever tried to paint the Bachmann ties at all?  Would that possibly have a negative affect?

       

      I'd like to cover some of the sheen of the SS as I had done with my AL track in the past.  I would normally assemble the track (pre-bending when needed) and then painting it all together with satin black spray paint. 

       

      I wouldn't mind even having to re-paint the ties in the future if that was needed. I still have some very old Aristo ties that faded years ago, but seemed to have been saved by painting them.  

       

      Thanks to all for your advice and concern,

      Jeff

      Since I was mentioned ... I don't have those ties, so I held back, but if your rails stay in gauge and the rails don't roll ... I'd paint.

      My Aristo's  were 12 years in direct S. Aridzona sun. More days of 100+ than you can comprehend ... My ties had faded to 3 shades of grey.

      I painted my ties in different shades of brown, from tan to black walnut (new ties), Cammo Brown is an excellent 1 year old tie ... btw. It's flat too.

      I painted them in place ... A fun note: While at Costco I grabbed some new Goodyear windshield wipers and low and behold, each one had a plastic guard that would snap over a rail and it's wide base covered the rail's foot, I ended up with several changes ... back to those 100+ days and 9' was a nice stretch to paint, both sides and from both ends, from slightly above. Paint and Ponder.

       

      I stained my stainless. Took about a year to do 140', more rain would have helped ...

      Rust is not one color and the randomness of nature is hard for me to paint... so I enlisted rust.

      Steel wool pulled and rolled into 'snakes' a thousand clothespins later. I dissolved the steel wool and used an Acrylic clear coat to mist over the rails. Some clear coats blew the rust away!

      I think it was worth it ...

      I find that the color makes the rails less tall. Win win.

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    • September 18, 2018 12:20 AM EDT
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      Fantastic weathering effect, a lot of work, but the results! Take a bow!

       

      Steve, They seemed to have changed the Turtle Wax product... and it's thicker and does not "flow" as well across the ties... the original Armorall was pretty watery and with low surface tension would wick into the nooks and crannies... The newer formulation of Turtle wax "knockoff" is more like a gel. When you spray 850 feet of track, you want the process fast and efficient... and easy! The thicker product did not flow and cover evenly unless you used way more.

       

      Greg

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    • September 18, 2018 10:14 AM EDT
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      John Bouck said:

      My LGB ties have been out in the weather for 15 years without any fading, disintegration or anything. But things change. LGB is gone and I don't know who makes their track now. Or if they use the same formula.

      LGB is gone??? I am not sure about that statement,but I have already been wrong once or twice today, and its only 7:15am

       

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    • September 18, 2018 1:37 PM EDT
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      I think he meant "the original LGB is gone". and while he of course knows Marklin owns LGB, who is actually making the track (and thus the quality/materials) is unknown.

       

      Greg

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